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A questionable butterfly

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monty
monty
30 Nov 2016 13:51

Outside the ladies toilet by the tourist office waiting for ladies to come out, and asking them for money for cigarettes. Not on. All the others were in the shelter, so nothing has changed except the begging is new.

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DC24601
DC24601
30 Nov 2016 21:08

Well if no one gave them these things they wouldn't ask, you get much more by begging at this time of year than any other!

Sales
Sales
01 Dec 2016 08:19

I was under the impression that a order was in place so these people could not be around the town. So upsetting for the people they approach.

Where do they get the cash to drink,smoke and take drugs.

Years ago we were walking along by the toilets by corrington cove with our son who would have been 9 , he needed the loo he went in and come straight out

saying two men were in the toilets sticking needles in them.

Tempting to go in and chuck them in the sea.

But he was so scared we left it and went home .

How wrong

leatash
leatash
01 Dec 2016 09:17

They were begging under the viaduct on Monday they need to be arrested and charged THE LAWS ARE IN PLACE, Vagrancy act 1824 sect 3, and Summary offences act 1966 sect49A.

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DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
01 Dec 2016 10:58

This is what has happened over the years with the numbers of police actually on the beat being cut and police stations being closed. It doesnt matter how many enforcement notices are put up if they are not enforced.

These notices around The Lawn do not send out the right image to tourists coming to Dawlish.

Walking around Dawlish last night I saw all the work that is being done to create the new cycle path, but also noticed the poor state of the roads and pavements. As I get older I feel those elected officials, at all level, are just taking the urine out of all of us. Whilst they pat themselves on the back and top up their pensions and binge on expenses at our cost.

Moaning, yes, but it just gets my back up.

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monty
monty
01 Dec 2016 11:21

DC24601, I don't think anyone gives to beggers these days. Big Issue sellers yes, buskers yes, but beggers no way. Why would you give money for them to buy cigarettes. I gave up 'cos I couldn't afford them and am aware of the health issues. We have a really nasty group of people in Dawlish at the moment. They are intimidating and unpleasant. Lets have a police presence in the town. I thought begging was illegal.

 

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leatash
leatash
01 Dec 2016 11:30

Exeter road is in a very poor state of repair and yet the minority get perfect surfaces to ride there bikes on while my spine takes a daily battering on Exeter road. Not only is that unacceptable but the cyclists still insist on using the road weaving around the holes without even looking what vehicles are near them me thinks the world has gone mad.

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Sales
Sales
01 Dec 2016 14:15

I agree with monty why should we be intimidated by these arogant beggers. Where do they o at night and the local shops must loose goods but the police

just seem to accept they are there,should the council step in and sort it once and for all.

DC24601
DC24601
03 Dec 2016 20:30

Monty, sorry bud I have seen it with my own eyes, people do give them money.  

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Sales
Sales
04 Dec 2016 10:50

Do people give them money because they feel intimidated or threatened

Scapegoat
Scapegoat
04 Dec 2016 13:38

There but for the grace of God go I

 

But in our selfish right wing world, having empathy and caring for others is deemed bad. What a world we live in :(

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Scapegoat
Scapegoat
04 Dec 2016 13:42

You lot should be f***ing ashamed!!!  Shit happens to people, how would you feel if it was your own kin? Would you tell them to pull themselves together? The words of the infinitely un-empathic idiots who see the world only from their own little worlds!

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leatash
leatash
04 Dec 2016 14:51

Are you serious, if you drink or smoke, are we all not aware of the negative impact that may have on our lives. Now those who choose to do drugs are also aware of the results that drug taking can have.  They know that drugs have a negative impact on health. But apart from that those who take drugs, not all but a good percentage, fund their habit through crime.  Now I would like to see them gone and I don't care how it's done. Zero tolerance is what we need, get tough, give them so much hassle they either give up or pack their bags and go. Yes, shit does happen and I have had my fair share, in fact more than most and yes, I did pull myself together without support and I didn't take the easy route and get off my face every day and be a burden to society.  Those wasters out there need a good kick up the arse or a few years in the Army.

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Scapegoat
Scapegoat
04 Dec 2016 15:21

Point proven ^^^ , thank you :)

Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
04 Dec 2016 16:19

News South West did an interview during the week with the Dawlish Mayor and it was shown today on the Sunday politics show. Torbay want to introduce a similar scheme like the protection order now in place in Dawlish. However most of the show talked about the homeless. Yes, people are homeless and sometimes through no fault of their own. There are shelters that these people can go to, but they won't because they are not allowed to smoke, drink or do drugs while in the shelter, but some are not homeless but just sit around Dawlish drinking and causing ASB. We here in Dawlish are not alone with this problem, but I do agree with Leatash/Sales/Monty.

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Scapegoat
Scapegoat
04 Dec 2016 17:18

Please do yourselves a favour and read up on addiction. It's not about choice. To exclude someone shelter due to addiction to drugs (including alcohol) shows a complete lack of understanding of addiction and an inhuman lack of empathy. 

monty
monty
04 Dec 2016 17:26

I know a lot about addiction and have worked with addicts and alcoholics, some are beyond help. I know for a fact many of the ones in Dawlish have been offered help and accomodation, but they blow it. I never said they had a choice, addiction is a disease, so I don't blame them for that but I do blame them for not choosing to address their addictions. I am certainly not right wing, and I object to you judging me without knowing me. A lot of them are homeless by choice, they would rather spend their money on their drug of choice than pay rent. I have every sympathy for those who try to kick their habit.

 

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
07 Dec 2016 01:18

I'm with Monty on this.

 

The problem will only get worse until the Home Choice Schemes are stopped.

 

If you live in a big city,. on benefits, why would you not want to come to the seaside and receive the same benefits?

 

Our biggest problem down here is not migrants from abroad; it's migrants from the UK.

 

And please don't tell me that this town hasn't changed since Home Choice Schemes have been implemented.

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Lynne
Lynne
07 Dec 2016 08:08

Click on this link for info on the Devon Home Choice scheme

http://www.devonhomechoice.com/Devon_Home_Choice/CFEFaq.jsp?selectedMenu=Faq

I'm genuinely interested to know how the Home Choice scheme is allegedly responsible for Dawlish having residents who have substance addiction problems.

Can someone tell me please. 

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