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Corbyn wins

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roberta
roberta
12 Sep 2015 12:01

andwith Tom Watson at his side maybe now Labour can be an opposition force

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burneside
burneside
12 Sep 2015 12:07

They will be an opposition force, probably for a decade at least with Corbyn in charge.

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leatash
leatash
12 Sep 2015 12:19

I have been a Labour Prty member for 50 years and have just cancelled my membership and all payment's to the Labour Party Corbyn if ever elected will put this country in serious harm. He has no immigration policy he would let any one in and has a deep seated hate of our armed forces the man is a idiot i just hope to god he never wins a general election.

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
12 Sep 2015 12:25

He is unelectable at a GE - Labour have condemned themselves to opposition for as long as he is leader.

The turkeys have just voted for Christmas! (Oops - sorry Jeremy - ......have just voted for an all inclusive, multicultural Winter Holiday!)

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neilh
neilh
12 Sep 2015 12:40

Hope at last for fighting back against the decimation of this country's caring society by the uncaring Tory party

Lynne
Lynne
12 Sep 2015 12:41

well........let's see. @HuwMatthews2

If the SNP could get disaffected voters in Scotland interested in voting for them  then Corbyn might just have the same effect on the disaffected electorate (but they'll vote for Labour and do so throughout the UK. ).

 

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
12 Sep 2015 12:56

The SNP didn't.

At the referendum 49% for independence and 51% voted against.

All those Nationalists voted for the SNP at the GE whereas the 'stay togethers' split their vote between 3 or 4 other parties. 

That's why the SNP won.

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Lynne
Lynne
12 Sep 2015 13:03

The SNP motivated the disaffected Scottish electorate so much in the independence referendum that they well and truly put the wotsits up the Westminster political establishment.

49% to 51% - a close call if ever I saw one.  

 

(and it could also be said that as long as we have a first past the post voting system then

we will frequently end up with a governing party that the majority of the population didn't vote for).     

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burneside
burneside
12 Sep 2015 13:36

The Scottish referendum result was 55/45.  Still close, and enough to embolden the SNP to agitate for a second referendum, though that was always going to happen if they lost the vote.  

wondering
wondering
12 Sep 2015 17:09

Agree Leatash.

Clearly it is now a party for the uneducated and scruffs. He doesnt exactly look someone you would want to represent this country. You have to ask why did Sir Alan Sugar resign his life time Labour membership too.

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OurSoul
OurSoul
12 Sep 2015 19:28

I make my vote based upon policies, not what the party leader looks like. I'm going to be very interested to read what Labours proposed policies are going to be now that Corbyn is their leader (note that he doesn't decide policy, the party does). 

 

Sadly, we now have to look forward to the right wing rags character assassination of Corbyn, which of course many of the gullible will fall for. 

 

Forget "New Labour", it appears that the electorate can now vote for "Real Labour", something that I would have thought a card carrier of 50 years like Leatash would look forward to finding out more about before turning their back. 

 

My guess (it's only a guess) is that Corbyn will be a leader whose integrity will resonate with many.  

 

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burneside
burneside
12 Sep 2015 19:39

The right wing press don't really need to do a character assassination on Corbyn, he does that very well all by himself.

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Lynne
Lynne
12 Sep 2015 20:07

So....either the Labour Party becomes unelectable or it could become quite the opposite.

Either way the Tories could be under threat.

Matthew Parris (ex Conservative MP and Times columnist) was on the tv the other morning

pointing out that an unelectable Labour Party would not necessarily be good news for the Conservative  Party. On the contrary. For without the threat of the Tories losing control at a GE to Labour it could prove difficult for the Tory whips to keep rebellious Tory MPs under control such that the Conservative Party could end up at war with itself.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/matthew-parris/9600442/how-jeremy-corbyn-could-destroy-the-tories-yes-really/

  

burneside
burneside
12 Sep 2015 20:21

Given that eight members of the Shadow Cabinet have already resigned today and refuse to serve under Corbyn, I would say it is the Labour Party that is at war with itself.  At this rate it will implode into a total shambles, and could cease to exist as a relevant political party.

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S
12 Sep 2015 20:26

I don't understand the unelectable argument. Labour have to become more Tory like to win (well more than the have since Blair)? Labour party should not just be a copy of the Tories. This is now a real oppoisition. Even if they aren't elected they will be there to fight for different ideals than the Tories. With the SNP success and now this I believe this is changing British politics.

 

There are a lot of people who signed up to vote Corbyn in as leader so he might do alright. 

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Lynne
Lynne
12 Sep 2015 20:28

But let us not forget the never ending saga of the EU and the Conservative Party.

As I understand it the government (that's the Conservative government) wants us to stay

in. But that cannot be said to be the same of all Conservative MPs,

can it? And the more the Labour Party does not represent a threat to the Tories the more likely that Tory MPs will rebel. 

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1497514/more-than-50-tories-prepare-campaign-for-eu-exit

leatash
leatash
12 Sep 2015 20:31

Corbyn is a man who wont even consider there is something wrong with our climate and has no backbone and openly admits he would not have targeted IS fighters in Syria the man really is a idiot. My hope is the parliamentary Labour MPs refuse to work with him a number of shadow cabinet ministers have already resigned and i hope there is more to come the faster he goes the better the mans a wimp and will  if ever given power put our security in severe jeopardy. I will add i am saying nothing on here that i already haven't said to the  Labour Party central office on the phone today.

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Lynne
Lynne
12 Sep 2015 20:52

Well maybe we can all agree that we live in 'interesting' political times.

Oh and click on this link and then scroll down to see 10 issues that could split the Conservative

Party.

http://www.capx.co/the-ten-issues-that-could-divide-the-conservative-party/

Paul
Paul
13 Sep 2015 10:30

I'm glad Jeremy Corbyn is the new Labour Party Leader as all it has done is secured the Conservative Party in power for longer, which is great for our Country.

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elvis presley
elvis presley
13 Sep 2015 11:23

People are so unfair on the Labour Party. 

 

They have so many good ideas and policies to bring a brighter future to Britain yet voters seem determined to judge them on their last 13 years of government. 

 

 

 

 

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roberta
roberta
13 Sep 2015 13:36

I have always been a Socialist and was never truly in touch with New Labour. Im glad to see that Corbyn is trying to instill "old labour" values back. I dont agree with 100% of what he stands for but in all honesty he cannot dictate everything he believes in, he has a lot of MPs behind him to vote for or against his ideas.Lets give him a chance even you doubters might be pleasantly suprised. Welcome back wondering and Paul.

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leatash
leatash
13 Sep 2015 15:15

Tom Watson has already openly stated he cant agree with Corbyn on the EU, TRIDENT,and NATO, and that will just be the start of it.

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roberta
roberta
13 Sep 2015 15:35


but he most probably agrees with a lot of things, and surely thats what its all about, discussion, debating and finding common ground within the party for most to agree on.Hes only just been elected give the party chance, and see what happens. ..nobody is going to agree 100%

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S
S
14 Sep 2015 09:31

From just the first day I really don't think the media or his party will give him a chance, which will be a wasted opportunity for the country and the Labour party. Andy Burnham will be Labour leader within 12 months and then Labour can realigned themselves with their Tory values.

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wondering
wondering
15 Sep 2015 10:19

Now JC does not want to wear the red poppy...does he need to be told it represnts Flanders and the poppies and those that lost life there.  I cant believe anyone likes the man. Andy Burnham at least looks like a leader that could represemt the country.

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roberta
roberta
15 Sep 2015 10:23

 the right wing propaganda starts ,people like Paul and wondering will believe anything  I thinkhes a breath of fresh air and can only make people look at boring politics more inviting, the media is in a frenzy at the moment trying to gather any scrap of truth or untruth, or twist something he has said to suit their agenda 

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wondering
wondering
15 Sep 2015 10:27

I am pleased JC got voted leader lol

burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2015 10:39

Has Corbyn actually done a media interview since being selected as Labour leader?  He ducked out of the Andrew Marr show on Sunday and sent Tom Watson instead, and on yesterday's R4 Today programme we had to listen to Hilary Benn instead of Corbyn.  You would think he'd jump at the chance of putting his views across, but instead he's running away (quite literally when reporters asked him a question on the street). Some leader he is.

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elvis presley
elvis presley
15 Sep 2015 11:54

So there you have it, Jeremy  Corbyn leader  and Tom  Watson  deputy.

The labour party is  being led by Tom and  Jerry. 

"That's all folks ".

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OurSoul
OurSoul
15 Sep 2015 17:35

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burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2015 18:16

Very amusing, Mrs C.  You are good at copying and pasting, I'll give you that.

OurSoul
OurSoul
15 Sep 2015 18:45

*Swoons!

burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2015 21:20

Corbyn was a disgrace at the Battle of Britain memorial service held at St Paul's today, looking dishevelled with his unbuttoned shirt and loose tie, and then refusing to join in the national anthem.  If he has so little respect for the fallen he should have stayed at home instead of tarnishing this event.

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elvis presley
elvis presley
15 Sep 2015 21:58

Oh come on burnside, show some compassion, the poor fellow doesn't  know  the  words and he left his song sheet at home.

OurSoul
OurSoul
15 Sep 2015 22:41

It was a respectful silence for those being commemorated - not sure how wishing for an imaginary friend to save a professional benefits claimant can be regarded as disgraceful!  

http://youtu.be/RIwBvjoLyZc

 

All this anti-Corbyn rhetoric makes me think that the Tories are very worried about a politician who doesn't read from the on-message script written by a spin doctor. 

https://audioboom.com/boos/3566718-tory-minister-priti-patel-gives-a-lesson-on-how-not-to-react-to-a-corbyn-victory

 

Substance over style will win the next election - whomever provides it. People are sick to death of the spin. 

 

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burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2015 23:03

"Professional benefits claimant" - how many times have I heard that tired old cliché used by left wing nutjobs.  Change the record, Mrs C.

leatash
leatash
15 Sep 2015 23:07

He should be ashamed to call himself British he would do better in the Kremlin.

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OurSoul
OurSoul
15 Sep 2015 23:14

Change the record Bernard. 

 

Leatash - you're about as much a 50-year card carrier as I'm Princess Diana. 

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
16 Sep 2015 00:17

This is the current Labour Party incumbents view on things - God help us!:

 

“It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA ….........Deaths of innocent civilians in IRA attacks is a real tragedy, but it was as a result of British occupation in Ireland. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process”

--- John McDonnell, Newly appointed Shadow Chancellor, quote dated 30th May 2003.

His new Boss, Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn has openly sympathised with Irish Republicanism for over 30 years.

He invited IRA representatives to the House of Commons on 30th October 1984, when The Sussex Fire Brigade were still working on the building after the IRAs bombing of The Grand Hotel, Brighton, 2 weeks earlier.

At a Sinn Fein Troops Out (of Ireland) meeting in 1987, He stood for a minute’s silence to “honour” eight IRA terrorists killed in an SAS Operation.

Jeremy Corbyn, on 6 August 2015, during a telephone interview with a Daily Telegraph Journalist, twice refused to condemn the actions of the IRA. He was then asked if he could distinguish between State Forces (The British Army, RUC, UDR) and the IRA. He replied:

“Well in a sense the treatment of IRA prisoners which made them into virtual political prisoners suggested that the British government and the State saw some kind of almost equivalency. I mean my point is that the whole violence was terrible, was appalling, and came out of a process that had been allowed to fester in Northern Ireland for a very long time and surely we can move on a bit and look towards the achievements of the peace process in moving things forward.”

He was then asked a further FIVE times to condemn the activities of the IRA. He hung up on the Journalist without answering.

 

Yes this was copied from another Soc Media site - but I have verified the quotes. So the current Labour leadership are - without doubt - supporters of terrorism.

Is that not the case? Bearing in mind Hezbollah and Hamas meetings too? - And please don't proffer that old cack about 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' because it doesn't wash here!

 

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wondering
wondering
16 Sep 2015 10:42

It is difficult to believe that anyone would want to support let alone associate with the man.

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S
S
16 Sep 2015 11:18

I don't understand the issue with him not singing the national anthem. He stood there in respectful silence. It is not like he was talking or texting during it!!

 

The media seem to be trying to find anything to report about him and ideally negative. Give him a chance if you want a Labour party with traditional Labour values or at least something different to the Tories or most the other Tory like parties.

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Lynne
Lynne
16 Sep 2015 11:26

So.....if Jeremy Corbyn is an atheist and a republican it makes sense to me that he didn't sing.

He stood respectfully silent. 

If he had sung that would have made him a hypocrite.

And we don't want politicians who are hypocrites, do we?

Perish the thought!

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S
S
16 Sep 2015 11:28

Lynne spot on

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roberta
roberta
16 Sep 2015 11:40

and heaven forbid the media and the tory spin doctors are trying to deflect away from the real issues ie working peoples tax credits which was pushed through

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burneside
burneside
16 Sep 2015 11:41

Stood "respectfully silent", I see some people are towing the official Labour line on Corbyn's behaviour yesterday.  It would have been better if the odious man had not attended in the first place, he has little respect for this country or its institutions, and would not have been missed.

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Lynne
Lynne
16 Sep 2015 11:53

and can you just imagine the media frenzy if he hadn't turned up?

(I can!) 

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S
S
16 Sep 2015 11:57

So what did he do that wasn't respectful then?

flo
flo
16 Sep 2015 12:47

he doesn't look like a scrubbed potato @slargemail.

i have no respect for the royal family or the national anthem @burneside but am perfectly able to have respect for the people who serve our country. does it make me odious if i too refuse to sing the national anthem?

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burneside
burneside
16 Sep 2015 12:47

Turning up to a very formal event yesterday looking like he'd been dressed by a charity shop, unbuttoned shirt with tie hanging loose, he looked like a cross between Catweazle and Steptoe, that's without the sullen silence through the national anthem. 

I wonder if he will be sporting a white poppy at the Cenotaph in November?

 

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wondering
wondering
16 Sep 2015 12:53
S
S
16 Sep 2015 13:05

So he wasn't respectful because he dressed like he always dresses? How can you judge how he feels from the way he dresses?

 

@wondering he is anti-war so he is standing by his principles. What exactly is wrong with that? I never wear a poppy but doesn't mean I don't appreciate what people did for the country in fighting the wars.

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wondering
wondering
16 Sep 2015 13:17

So if he had been around in the 1940's ..this country would have not gone to war right?

I see he wants to do away with the British Army ...

burneside
burneside
16 Sep 2015 13:57

If Corbyn had been in power at that time I suspect we'd all be speaking German now.

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wondering
wondering
16 Sep 2015 13:59

Yes

S
S
16 Sep 2015 14:22

So we are now judging him what he would have done before he was born. That was different time and would like to think even an anti-war campaigner would have seen the need to fight.

 

 

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S
S
16 Sep 2015 14:33

... and what he actually said about the scraping the British Army was that wouldn't it wonderful if all countries scrapped their armies. 

wondering
wondering
16 Sep 2015 14:37

..well if you will take the lock off your front door I will too lol

S
S
16 Sep 2015 14:43

I didn't say it would ever happen, he just made a comment at a rally. That is different than saying he wants to get rid of the British Army but not as dramatic though!

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