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20 May 2015 19:04

Redrow Homes secured planning consent for the first phase of its new homes development at Shutterton Lane in Dawlish.


Building on the first phase is set to begin at the end of May 2015 and will include two, three and four bedroom homes. Cornerstone, Exeter's largest independent affordable housing provider, supported the scheme, which will include 32 affordable homes.
 

 

OurSoul
OurSoul
20 May 2015 20:34

And about time too. it's great to see such a high percentage of affordable homes in that first phase as well. 

OurSoul
OurSoul
20 May 2015 21:02

And over £1.25m towards local facilities too

Duckileaks
Duckileaks
20 May 2015 21:25

Yes but it isn't all going locally, £143,000 at Countess Wear (that's not Dawlish) and £172,000 for indoor sporting activities- doubt that you could spend that much in Dawlish!

So, we get the houses and the additional traffic, fair enough people have to live somewhere and it's nice here but all the money should stay in this area, what about paying towards all the extra school places that will be needed?

 

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OurSoul
OurSoul
20 May 2015 22:07

So do you not think that those improvements are going to benefit Dawlish residents who work in Exeter and travel there by road?  

Despite you not mentioning it, I assume that you're pleased about the percentage of affordable homes included? Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to move to Dawlish and pay top whack in the expensive part of town...

 

If you think that £172K can't be spent on indoor sports facilities in Dawlish, then you're seriously lacking imagination!

Duckileaks
Duckileaks
21 May 2015 09:59

I'm not saying that money spent in Exeter will not benefit some of Dawlish's residents.

But let's be realistic about this.  The affordable housing is brilliant, it will attract young families whose children need educating.  The starter homes will attract 1st time buyers who will have children who need educating, see where I'm going with this?

On top of the many new homes that have been built and are still awaiting completion which have lots of children in them.

But where is the investment in the schools, in making it easier to get your children to school in the morning, in ensuring that there are enough Doctors and Nurses at the surgery and hospital for all these new residents? (£51,000 is peanuts)

So where would you spend that money on indoor sports facilities? If you go to the leisure centre then you'd need to build on - taking a bit more money than that I'm sure.

I don't lack imagination but I ground my hopes and wishes in reality - not spin.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
21 May 2015 19:38

Wonder how many of the 32 affordable homes will go to local people. Answer probably none. Affordable houses dont bring wealth, prosperity, new businesses or jobs. The only likely benificiary to this latest glorifed slum is going to be Sainsbury's. Why are Teignbridge Council intent on ruining Dawlish?

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Lynne
Lynne
22 May 2015 07:08

I've been out of the country so I may have missed the following info.

Where's the Sangs that has to go with this development?

(Outline approval for this development was given by the Planning Inspector back in 2013 after it had been refused by TDC planning committee. Part of the original S106 agreement was that the development should bring with it the appropriate amount of Sangs. I'll try and find the PI report and post the appropriate bit on here). 

Lynne
Lynne
22 May 2015 07:47

Found it.

From the PI's report dated 24-6-13. (my emphasis in bold)

"10.7 In addition, the s.106 Agreement makes provision for financial contributions 
toward the acquisition, maintenance and management of SANGS, to mitigate 
the impact that recreational use by future occupiers of the proposed dwellings 
might otherwise have on the SPA and SAC. The total of the contributions 
would be calculated in accordance with the JIA. The Council has identified the 
Dawlish Coastal Park as its preferred site for the provision of SANGS, but since 
there is some doubt as to the timetable for its delivery [8.41], the s.106 
Agreement contains provisions to ensure that the phasing of the development, 
and occupation of the dwellings, would be in step with the delivery of 
commensurate amounts of SANGS. As an alternative, if the Council were 
unable to acquire and provide its intended SANGS in time, the S.106 
Agreement makes provision for the owner of the appeal site to provide SANGS 
on other land, with the prior approval of (and for eventual transfer to) the 
Council. The phasing and occupation of the development would again be 
linked to the delivery of commensurate amounts of SANGS." 
 
FredBassett
FredBassett
22 May 2015 08:07

@Lynne

Surely this means that until Redrow come up with their own solution to the SANGS issue they cannot start work on site. Hope Redrow and TDC have been made aware of this. Secondly why is the section 106 money not being spent locally.

 

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Lynne
Lynne
22 May 2015 08:51

@FB

As I understand the situation, Redrow can build the houses but those houses cannot be occupied unless and until the appropriate amount of Sangs is in place as required for this first phase, and then more Sangs again as required for any futher phases of development.

BTW - the last I heard (about two weeks ago), and from the horses mouth as it were, the Weeks family still have no wish to sell off Warren Farm to TDC.

Why isn't the S106 money being spent locally? Well, depends on what you mean by local.

You would need to ask the planners at TDC that question.

I'll see what else I can find on the planning docs about what this development is scheduled to bring (as well as houses) and I'll post on here (not that I would in any way wish to undermine what was reported in the local press you understand but I do reserve the right to be cynical about what developers put in press releases compared with what the planning conditions/consent actually says).

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Lynne
Lynne
22 May 2015 16:37

and from the same Planning Inspector's report (again my emphasis in bold)

12.64 I am satisfied that the terms of the S.106 Agreement entered into by the 
appellant and the Council [INQ 21] ensure that adequate provision of SANGS 
would be put in place prior to the occupation of the proposed dwellings [10.5 – 
10.7], and the other relevant financial contributions would be paid at 
appropriate stages of the development. The timely provision of the drainage 
strategy and improvements to the sewer system, and the ongoing 
maintenance and management of retained and newly-created habitats, could 
be secured by conditions [11.3 – 11.5]. 
 
Lynne
Lynne
22 May 2015 17:03

S106 agreement for this development can be found by:

clicking on this link http://gis.teignbridge.gov.uk/TeignbridgePlanningOnline/Results.aspx?Type=Application&Refval=12/02281/MAJ

then click on associated documents

then click on S106 agreement

Lots of info re developer S106 obligations including options on how the Sangs requirement can be provided

OurSoul
OurSoul
22 May 2015 20:19

Your cynicism re S106 was clearly misplaced Lynne. 

burneside
burneside
22 May 2015 21:56

I thought you were only posting on Wednesdays, OurSoul?  And by the way, you aren't fooling anybody, I don't believe for one moment that this is your first incarnation on this forum.

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OurSoul
OurSoul
22 May 2015 22:36

I'm not trying to fool anyone Burneside.

 

And everyone's allowed to break their diet now and again, aren't they? x

burneside
burneside
23 May 2015 00:06

You are so utterly predictable, Oursoul.

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Lynne
Lynne
25 May 2015 11:18

But to get back to the Sangs provision and this development.

As nothing is yet in the public domain about where the Sangs provision for the Shutterton Park development is going to be, I imagine that Redrow and TDC are presently in discussion/negotiations about this (S106 agreement allows for the developer to provide the Sangs providing TDC approves of location and access etc if Warren Farm Sangs not delivered by TDC - which it hasn't been).  

But the Sangs, wherever it will turn out to be, does have to be in place before any of the houses of phase 1 can be occupied and Redrow are saying they are looking at Jan 2016 for first homes to be available for occupancy.

Lynne
Lynne
26 May 2015 08:29

@Fred Bassett

An agenda item just for you wink

Agenda item number 13 at tomorrow evening's town council planning committee meeting is concerned with what names the 6 new roads should have in phase 1 of this Redrow development.

Any suggestions Fred? 

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
26 May 2015 22:47

Was at Sainsbury's this afternoon and the first digger is in the field! 

I noted the Councillors on the newly formed planning committee and it does give me hope that planning meetings will have a much better attendance record compared to the last four years and that decisions will be based on planning criteria and not on personal preference. Hopefully there will be less emphasis and focus on 'fussy windows' and more consideration about the impact on the environment and Dawlish as a whole when looking at planning applications.

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Purrrrrfect
Purrrrrfect
27 May 2015 08:29

'the provision and management of an off-site habitat for a Cirl bunting breeding habitat ' This is taken from the text on the compensation the builders are going to payout for buiding. Does this mean that their will be signs put up so the birds know where to go !

FredBassett
FredBassett
27 May 2015 09:30

Seems to me that the planning dept at TDC are once again turning a blind eye to the activities of major developments companies. Will be requesting information form them this afternoon regarding the provision of SANGS for this particular development, and why they are not questioning the start of work before this situation is resolved.

First street names could be Poland Close or Problemfamily Avenue, Dealer Drive, NewScabott Place.

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Lynne
Lynne
27 May 2015 10:08

Sara Street

Yandle Yard 

Blackforest Boulevard

Channel Island Close

Guernsey Grove

Appeal Avenue

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OurSoul
OurSoul
27 May 2015 12:01

I think that it had been confirmed that the SANGS provision had to be in place before the first home was occupied? Not when the first sod was cut. 

 

I find it utterly despicable, though totally typical of him, that FredBassett believes that the only people who need affordable homes are problem families or hardworking legal immigrants.  Plenty of people who don't have derogatory labels attached to them are in desperate need of affordable homes. 

 

I bet that none of them however would want to live next to him or members of his family.

 

 

 

FredBassett
FredBassett
27 May 2015 23:21

@OurSoul

Repeating the question previously asked and relevant to the point being made. How many LOCAL people are in need and can afford an Affordable house on Shutterton Park. Is it 32 ??????

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FredBassett
FredBassett
28 May 2015 11:22

Just come back from Costa Del Sol in Southern Spain. Marbellla is a really lovely place to live just like Dawlish the big difference being their local authority wont build me an Affordable House to live in so guess ill have to keep working to earn some money before I move there.

Oh no that wont work because I forgot there are no jobs in Dawlish. This means that all the new residents of 106 houses will have to commute daily to Exeter - Or will they ??????

Can someone please till me what an affordable house means to someone who cant afford one

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
28 May 2015 13:44
Lynne
Lynne
28 May 2015 14:23

I am beginning to lose track of the number of times I have put on various threads on this website what is meant by affordable housing. But I'll do it again 

1. Rented affordable housing - rents up to 80% of market rates

2. Affordable housing to buy - quite a few different schemes come under this heading including, for example, shared ownership. 

Those seeking affordable housing have to be able to comply with local connection criteria in order to be eligible though of course it goes without saying (well, doesn't it?) that not all those in need of affordable accommodation can afford 'affordable' rents or the mortgage/rent repayments on 'affordable' homes to buy. 

 

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Lynne
Lynne
28 May 2015 14:35

From the link that Huw posted:

 

Social and affordable housing

Affordable housing is social rented, affordable rented and intermediate housing, provided to eligible households whose needs are not met by the market. Eligibility is determined with regard to local incomes and local house prices. From April 2012 affordable housing is defined in theNational Planning Policy Framework (prior to this the definitions in Planning Policy Statement 3 apply).

Affordable housing should include provisions to remain at an affordable price for future eligible households or for the subsidy to be recycled for alternative affordable housing provision.

Social rented housing is owned by local authorities and private registered providers (as defined in section 80 of the Housing and Regeneration Act 2008), for which guideline target rents are determined through the national rent regime. It may also be owned by other persons and provided under equivalent rental arrangements to the above, as agreed with the local authority or with the Homes and Communities Agency.

Affordable rented housing is let by local authorities or private registered providers of social housing to households who are eligible for social rented housing. Affordable Rent is subject to rent controls that require a rent of no more than 80 per cent of the local market rent (including service charges, where applicable).

Intermediate housing is homes for sale and rent provided at a cost above social rent, but below market levels subject to the criteria in the Affordable Housing definition above. These can include shared equity (shared ownership and equity loans), other low cost homes for sale and intermediate rent, but not affordable rented housing. Homes that do not meet the above definition of affordable housing, such as ‘low cost market’ housing, may not be considered as affordable housing for planning purposes.

 

OurSoul
OurSoul
03 Jun 2015 11:32

Had a wander during the weekend around the new developments that have sprung up around the Secmation Lane area.  I don't understand why some people think that there isn't the demand for housing in Dawlish - judging by the number of properties there that are occupied / sold / reserved, it's no wonder that farmers are selling their land to developers.  And yes, it does appear to be a healthy mix of "locals" and people who have just moved to Dawlish. 

 

That said, the sooner the A379 to/from Exeter gets upgraded the better.

Purrrrrfect
Purrrrrfect
11 Jun 2015 08:38

Re introduce the old style Mega council estates, happy days. I always loved the neighbourly rivallry for who had the most rubbish, fridges etc in the front garden. Or who could party the longest in to the following day, sigh, fond memories of a bygone age! Oh, nearly forgot - how many 'classic' cars you could have in your front garden.

Andysport
Andysport
11 Jun 2015 09:48

The A379 has been upgraded DCC have resurfaced the cycle track

DCC and others are running lots of cycling initatives

The resurface of the cycle track was done in order to discourage lycra wearers from using it so bikes back on the A379 smiley

I feel sorry for Lockwood house they were trying to sell for £1M I watch with interest what happens now.

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OurSoul
OurSoul
11 Jun 2015 14:18

That's over £675,000 more than the current owners paid for the property just 14 years ago. I'm sure that there's little need to feel sorry for the owners...

Digby
Digby
11 Jun 2015 14:40

CORRECTION !

Zoopla states current owners paid £875,000 4 years ago. Looking at it they have spent a small fortune on it aswell since they have been there.

I'm sure there might be some need to feel sorry for them.

OurSoul
OurSoul
11 Jun 2015 14:44

I too looked on Zoopla, which suggested that it was last sold in 2001. However I bow to your inside knowledge - apologies. 

 

Still doubt that that there'd be much impact on its selling price. 

Andysport
Andysport
11 Jun 2015 17:32

Its been on the market a while already, I think it will struggle to sell

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