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Dawlish News
Dawlish News
28 Jan 2015 08:46

DOZENS of bus journeys across Devon will be cut-back or axed completely, the county council has announced.


There are also proposals to change some of the journeys that currently fall under the National Bus Pass scheme. The pass would no longer be valid on services 113/134/260 Tavistock to Dawlish/Torquay and Truro, which the council says all run primarily for tourism and are not part of the statutory scheme.

 

Lynne
Lynne
28 Jan 2015 09:11

Basically, if you want to live in a rural environment and not be cut off even more than you might already be, you'll need to have your own transport.   

ken
ken
28 Jan 2015 22:40

I think pressure needs to be put on the govt that the bus pass rules should be changed so that a contribution is made by the user per journey. That way we can protect some of the rural bus services. 

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Lynne
Lynne
29 Jan 2015 07:53

No more free bus passes for those of state pension age then?  

ken
ken
29 Jan 2015 14:32

There not free, somebody else is paying and is it not right that we return to what the bus pass used to be.  

Lynne
Lynne
29 Jan 2015 15:07

 I agree with you that others are paying for the bus trips that those over the state pension age      make (if they have claimed their bus pass).

So the question to be asked then I guess is this: should those of state pension age, and who choose to claim their bus pass/ need to claim their bus pass- should they pay a contribution towards their fares each time they use their bus pass? 

 

(and there is then the wider question of how and on whom and on what should tax payers money be spent? NHS? State schooling? why stop with bus passes?)

  

Lynne
Lynne
16 Feb 2015 12:43

 

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Cut-PR-save-buses-say-Lib-Dems/story-26032304-detail/story.html

I found the issues raised in the comment at the bottom of the article particularly interesting.

(and on the issue of who pays for the state retirement age bus pass - I need to change the statement I made in my post above. It isn't only those who are not of the state pension age  who are paying for the bus passes. Do those of state pension age necessarily stop paying tax - income, VAT, council tax, other types? No. Therefore all tax payers, of whatever age, pay into the communal pot. And those taxpayers include those who are of the state pension age.  

Clive
Clive
20 Feb 2015 19:43

...and I'll come off the fence and say I think they should remain free, maybe not as low as 60, but definitely 65.

It is doubtful how much revenue would be gained if charged.  But I think it is safe to say that pensioners being out and about provide a better society and more spend in shops etc.  Also it keeps the health bill down by keeping them fitter and less depressed.

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Lynne
Lynne
20 Feb 2015 20:21

It isn't as low as 60 . It was as low as 60. But not any more. People become eligible for the bus pass when they are the age that is the state pension age for women. My brother-in-law has just qualified for his bus pass. He is 62 and a bit. The present state pension age for women. That age is going up rapidly. A woman who is only 18 months younger than him will not get her state pension until she is 65 and 3 months (or even more months than that). That is when she (and men of the same age) will get their bus pass should they so wish to claim one. Assuming of course that the bus pass still exists in 4+ years time.        

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
20 Feb 2015 20:49

You are absolutely right Lynne! I get my bus pass when I am 66 but by then they will be just a distant memory!! I was 60 in January! 

leatash
leatash
20 Feb 2015 22:46

Every day i watch bus after bus on the Exeter road empty not one passenger 6 have passed this evening with one passenger so who pay's for all those empty busses???

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
20 Feb 2015 23:32

Is that because the train journey is so much cheaper? I just pose the question. The trains between Exeter and Dawlish are always full to bursting so clearly it is a popular choice of transport. I know from my own experience that train travel is far cheaper than travelling by bus but we do need better rolling stock and greater capacity on our trains,

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Feb 2015 07:46

With my over 60 railcard (and those who are younger can get a Devon and Cornwall railcard) I  get a third off my railfare. The cheapest return bus ticket between here and Exeter is the £7.50(ish) day ticket. My return rail fare (using my card) is about half that amount. It might even be less than half that amount.

It is now around about £5.30 return bus fare from where I live in Dawlish to Teignmouth. Pay that amount to travel that distance? I think not!  

wondering
wondering
21 Feb 2015 10:35

£2.70 return to Exeter with a rail card.

After 7pm you can get a £2.80 ticket on the bus unlimited travel anywhere on Stagecoach.

leatash
leatash
21 Feb 2015 14:13

My point was maybe cut the services that run empty in the evenings i would imagine these empty buses are running on tax payers money

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Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
21 Feb 2015 14:40

I would imagine that nearly all off-peak bus services around and about are run at taxpayers expense. 

wondering
wondering
21 Feb 2015 20:27

Service 2 Exeter - Dawlish - Newton is a 'commercial' service and not supported by DCC (taxes). Stagecoach choose to run an hourly service in the evening into Dawlish until Midnight. last arrives at 0021.

In the days of Nationalised NBC in the 70s the services would certainly be discontinued.

As the lack of passenger use/need has been highlighted, maybe Stagecoach will consider withdrawal of services to Dawlish in the evening and transfer vehicles to areas in Devon where a service is required.

Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
21 Feb 2015 20:37

This post has been removed due to too many reports.

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
21 Feb 2015 20:52

Why free bus passes and not free train passes?   Is it just a throwback?   If you installed Oyster card type readers on buses and at train stations you could quantify how much each company is to be reimbursed by DCC for free/subsidised travel.  Presumably the driver already does something similar on buses.

wondering
wondering
21 Feb 2015 20:52

Either they are 'full' or 'empty' lol..

Clearly Dawlish does not want buses in the evening,..point taken.

Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
21 Feb 2015 21:38

This post has been removed due to too many reports.

wondering
wondering
21 Feb 2015 21:47

I'm always in Dawlish and know how many people use the buses.

roberta
roberta
22 Feb 2015 18:16

I to thought wondering had left said "couldn't wait to leave" obviously couldn't stay away from us

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